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HISTORY, NOT VALUATION!
The most important factor deciding the value of a piano is not its name, but its condition, and the most important aspect of that is whether it holds in tune, because if it doesn't, repairs can cost over a thousand pounds, and this is usually more than an old piano is worth. Piano dealers don’t normally deal with antiques, and antiques dealers don’t know much about pianos. Nobody anywhere can guess the value or condition of a piano without inspecting it on the spot, and checking that it can be tuned, so your local tuner is the best person to ask about that.
PIANO TUNING in East Anglia, including Norfolk, Suffolk, Essex etc.
Here in Britain, where antique pianos are plentiful, unrestored ones have very little value, and we are offered several each year for nothing. donatedonthly donations can also be set up through the Donate button.
GRAND pianos from Cristofori’s invention to modern.
SQUARE pianos (Querpianos) were the main domestic instruments before upright pianos were perfected.
GEORGIAN vertical pianos and earlier attempts at upright pianos.
VICTORIAN cottage pianos.
EDWARDIAN upright pianos and later ones.
DATE-MARKS and other clues inside your piano.
EXHIBITION medals and awards shown on a piano provide clues to its age.
GENEALOGY of the Piano makers, and some impression of what your ancestors might have done in the piano trade.
NAMES and fictional aliases used on pianos.
NUMBERS as a guide to the date of a piano.
ARCHIVES of the piano makers are rarely available, so our own archives try to fill some of the gaps.
DIAGRAMS of piano actions – the working parts of the notes.
FALSENESS in piano strings can make tuning very difficult.
CENTRAL HEATING can damage your piano.
MISCELLANEOUS piano subjects that don’t fit conveniently into other headings.
DEMOS of Bill Kibby’s performances on various instruments.
REPERTOIRE – over two thousand titles that Bill Kibby can play for you.
HEALTH matters and possible help with them.
BILL’s BLOG has little or nothing to do with pianos or music.
MEMORIES of my childhood in Walthamstow.
Every day (to my amazement) THOUSANDS of people around the world visit this website looking for information about their pianos. In all the world, how many collections have a 300-year time-line of piano history, with thousands of images, thousands of pages of piano information, thousands of index cards, the world’s largest directory of UK piano firms, and actual pianos for most decades from the 1790s to the 1970s? JUST US! Imagine taking the world’s largest collection of piano history, and packing it away into a large brick shed at the end of our garden. We have all the ingredients, but sadly, our humble building is barely big enough to store our unique and growing collection, let alone display it, so the pianos are crammed in together, and the archives are functional but not on display. At one time, the only way into the room was to climb on a stool, then up onto a piano, crawl along it, then along another one, and down onto a stool! Recently, someone said that until he heard me perform, he would not have believed all the things I can do in music. Much the same argument applies to piano history, and until we can achieve the proper museum display, people will not understand how much the collection has to offer.
Having spent half a century learning more than most people will ever know about practical musicianship and piano history, I find myself in a world where this knowledge and ability seems to have no cash value, and having lost all my assets in 14 years of major illness, then gone into retirement on basic state pension, I am struggling to find any way to finance a building that will preserve and display what is probably the world’s largest collection of piano history, and certainly the world’s largest directory of UK piano firms, or use my musical abilities to raise money for the collection. Some of our friends and relatives think of it as “just a load of old pianos”, it is so much more. I have spent my life achieving lots of things that people said were impossible, some of them are listed on this website, but the challenge at the moment is to find a way into a permanent home for this unique and irreplaceable collection, before I get too old to do it justice.
We can’t get a building without funding.
We can’t get funding without charitable status.
We can’t get charitable status without an income of £5,000.
We can’t raise that income without a building.
..But we can’t get a building without funding!
Having spent 10 years trying to obtain sponsorship or funding for a proper museum building, we have looked into the possibility of extending our existing building so that there will be space to display all the pianos, and a portion of the forty thousand images. This is a big compromise, there will not be enough floor space to meet Health & Safety regulations for a public museum, or put on live music events to raise funds, so we are looking around for somewhere we can escape this flood risk area, and have display space. If it comes to fruition, at least people will be able to visit us, and see a compact version of the museum we would like to have. Not only that, but our archives should be a lot more accessible when I don’t have to squeeze between pianos to get to them!
CHERISH YOUR ASPIRATIONS!
General (non-piano) History items are further down the page. We are a world centre for piano history, we deal with enquiries from around the world every day, and I find myself in the position of being the keeper and protector of a unique history collection, not just because it is my passion, or because of anything it can do for me. It deserves to survive long after I am forgotten, because people need it. Occasionally, someone will tell me that what I am trying to do is impossible, and I have to point out that I have already done a lot of it!
Visiting pianos at many museums, it is interesting that there is usually little or no historical information attached to them, whereas we have more than we can possibly display. Recently, we supplied a dozen items to a World War I display, and a friend was immensely impressed with what was, after all, a tiny fraction of our display material. We continue to function as an archive, and every day, we supply piano information in answer to enquiries from around the world. We also offer occasional lectures on piano history to Women’s Institutes, colleges, museums, schools, etc., and I am always impressed by the enthusiasm of so many people who want to learn more about pianos, and ask very searching questions.
It is important to understand that although piano history is a minority interest, taking that minority from the whole world means that a great many people are searching for piano history, thousands of hits every day, quite apart from the many people who have a more casual interest, and although this website goes some way to satisfying that need, a museum could do so much more. Imagine a huge museum of piano history, with the world’s largest specialist archive of related information, a unique pictorial time-line of piano history, over forty thousand images, thousands of index cards, thousands of printed pages, a collection of Victorian books containing piano ads, irreplaceable reference material, as well as actual pianos from the eighteenth century right through to modern, plus provision for lectures and live music projects. Although the books were purchased for their piano content, they also provide a wide range of general history.
“A calling that cannot be realised becomes a burden” - Gunther von Hagens
At the end of 2014, the Eastern Daily Press very kindly did a whole-page feature on our collection, and our plight in trying to find funding or sponsorship for a proper museum building. I watched a television programme about a man who collected worthless junk for years. Everyone agreed it was junk, nobody understood, but one day, he bought a building, and all of that “junk” suddenly came together to form a wonderfully-integrated display. What we have here is perhaps the piano equivalent, there is no cash value in the individual items, the historical value is in what they make together. At least it seems a little more reasonable to me than the man who collected live crocodiles! In the past twenty years, a total of seven other projects have very kindly offered to house our collection within theirs…
“This time, I had the answer right here in my hand, then I touched it, and it had turned to sand.”
One by one, they all fell by the wayside and ceased to exist, but we are still here!
To add to our problems, we are in a flood risk area, and although we said “it hasn’t flooded since 1953”, within a few months of moving in, we had a near miss when we were evacuated because of flooding just along the road. I have this image in my mind of all the pianos floating down the river! We were not troubled by flood waters, but greatly troubled by the flood warnings, which have us in a panic to get irreplaceable books and paperwork into the house, and upstairs. In the process, electronics got broken, the books were thrown into chaos, I strained my back, and we were exhausted.
In 2007, we moved to Great Yarmouth when we were offered a large museum space in a wonderful Georgian setting, but sadly, after months of intensive preparatory work, the premises proved to be unsuitable because of problems with parking, disabled access and egress, fire regulations, legal wranglings, and differences of opinion between the residents and the local council about many things, including the previously-stipulated ground floor space, which is a matter of public record. Not only that, we were asked to put my most treasured possessions (and my life’s work) into a building where anyone could walk in when we weren’t there! What seemed like a gift from heaven to house our collection for a peppercorn rent, by the generosity of the residents, ended up with the council wanting us to invest thousands of pounds for an upstairs venue that had not been designed to fit in with modern regulations.
Ironically, it was only in the process of designing displays for that museum that I really began to appreciate the scope of what we have here. People often say that we will need a lot of space to display three dozen pianos and organs, but what they don’t realise is that in order to display the more important history items at a reasonable size, we would need even more display width.
Here, you can see just a small selection of the images for the 1700s, and there are 6 times as many for the 1800s, before we even get to the 1900s. In a way, the pianos are only window dressing, the main collection is history.
Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.
I began collecting musical instrument information around 1958, and focussed on pianos from 1963. When I left college in 1965, I realised that there were many unanswered questions about piano history, and as I began seeking them, people were already asking me for help. My Piano Archives service was dealing with historical enquires by 1972, when home computers didn’t exist, and everything was done with a pen, a typewriter and a photocopier.
By 1989, I had a shop at Lowestoft, and was writing computer software that could search through the files overnight, and print out the results while I slept. Things are a teeny bit quicker with modern computers, but less convenient for writing one’s own software. In 1990, I began 14 years of major illness, and was given no help at all by the NHS. I was incapable of going out to work, and while my current life was showing no progress, I tried to invest in my future by working on piano history whenever I had a burst of energy. That intermittent work laid the foundation for the service we now provide every day, read by thousands of people all around the world.
The old PianoGen web pages were set up in 2001 in conjunction with UK Piano - Britain’s largest piano website. Sadly, although we have always known that “gen” meant information, many people still do not understand what “Piano Gen” means, so now, we are…
Since 2001, I have dealt with thousands of postings on the piano history forum, in addition to our own extensive clientele. A recent Google search revealed 38,800 internet entries connecting “Kibby” with “piano”, while “piano history centre” showed 785,000 entries. The hits for my forum postings about Spencer pianos alone are in excess of twenty thousand.
We supply information to many museums, archives and specialists around the world who only deal with specific aspects of pianos, and we also receive information from them, we don’t just quote from books, we add to the existing knowledge. Because we have so far been unable to locate major funding or sponsorship, our active research is aimed at antique British pianos, so anything else that arrives is a matter of luck, but with growing worldwide demand, we never discard any kind of piano information, and the Piano History Centre works together with the specialists in researching, filing and storing all kinds of piano information. It is fair to add that although we try to help with any pianos…
Our active research is aimed at antique British pianos.
The majority of those were manufactured in London.
The majority of their factories were in and around Camden Town.
Many piano books are written by professional writers who have no experience of pianos, or only have a very narrow view of the subject. On the internet, text is often misleading, and you will find a lot more reliable material from Google Images, but unfortunately, huge amounts of space on the net are wasted on images that are not labelled properly: if you are looking for Broadwood square pianos, you won’t be able to find them if they are labelled “xyz123” or “our piano”, they are useless to most people because a search will not find them, so a lot of our work is in cataloguing and cross-referencing these.
Just for fun, try searching for paino or panio.
THE AGE OF MISINFORMATION
A lot of the misinformation about piano history has arisen from people writing books and phrasing things badly, or misquoting information, or quoting other authors who got it wrong. I have written to authors, challenging statements they made, and the usual answer is that they read it somewhere else, and took it to be correct. Sometimes, there is a whole chain of people quoting previous authors, and this applies especially to serial number dates. Nobody is immune to misinformation, and the tangled web often makes matters worse by spreading misinformation more rapidly so, as they often say in CSI or NCIS, “follow the evidence”. I spend a lot of my time searching for original unadulterated information from paperwork, or the pianos themselves, but even that will have human errors. It might seem that by looking at books written a century ago, we would get nearer to the original truth, but this is not always the case, they didn’t have the benefit of later research, and people like Michel, Dolge and Brinsmead published all kinds of misinformation, commenting on aspects they knew very little about, or carefully quoting misinformation from each other.
Our collection includes…
· over 5,000 index cards;
· thousands of printed pages;
· over 40,000 computer images;
· general reference books on the pianoforte;
· uniquely-detailed visual time-line of piano history;
· 34 pianos ranging in date from the 1790s to the 1970s;
· miniature pianos, music boxes and piano-shaped ornaments;
· hundreds of piano directory lists, totalling over a million entries;
· a growing archive comprising hundreds of old sheet music copies;
· thousands of computer text pages, listing over thirty thousand names;
· a range of Victorian books from 1844 onwards, purchased for their piano content.
· The world’s largest directory of UK piano firms. If you wanted to look up a local piano firm you might look in Yellow Pages. Our lists cover not only most of the towns, but for any period going right back to the 1700s.
DIRECTORIES & OLD BOOKS
Here is a brief summary of some of the directory lists and other sources we have available for reference, in addition to our more modern reference books: some are complete originals, others are just piano lists: there are many more to be added, containing over a million entries, and far too many for us to make them available online without major funding, quite apart from the enormity of the copyright problems. There are London lists for every decade. Early directories are written in name order, some musical instrument makers did not specify which instruments they made, and it is easy to miss piano entries unless one knows what to look for. If you are searching for London names in any trade, it is worth remembering that we have a selection of complete London Directories from 1786 to 1892. We also have incomplete lists of piano items found in London alphabetical directories for 1765 1768 1769 1771 1772 1774 1775 1778 1782 1794 1797. In some cases, Longman’s is the only music firm listed.
1786 Lownde’s London Directory.
1790 Edinburgh Directory.
1792 Lownde’s London Directory.
1794 London directory
1805 Various London directories
1814 Pigot's Directory of Chester. (Trades)
1814 Pigot's Directory of Leeds. (Trades)
1814 Pigot's Directory of Liverpool. (Trades)
1816 Birmingham Directory
1817 Johnstone's Directory of London
1817 Leeds Directory
1819 Post Office London Directory
1820 Post Office London Directory
1820 Glasgow Directory
1822 Pigot & Co.'s Directory of London; Musical Instrument makers
1824 Post Office London Directory
1824 Kent Directory
1825 Pigot & Co., London
1825 London Directory
1825 Nottingham Directory
1827 Lempriere’s Classical Dictionary
1828 Leamington Directory
1828 Pigot's National Commercial Directory covers an odd selection of major towns and cities in some (but not all) counties, and strangely avoids London. From this, I copied every list that had piano, organ or music firms, including Chester, Hull, Leeds, Liverpool, Manchester, Newcastle, Scarborough, etc..
1828 Worcester Directory
1829 Birmingham Directory
1830 Post Office London Directory
1830 Devon Directory
1830 Great Yarmouth Directory
1830 Ipswich Directory
1830 Norwich Directory
1830 Suffolk Directory
1832 Manchester Directory (Trades)
1834 Edinburgh Directory
1834 Leeds Directory
1835 Dublin’s earliest classified trades Directory
1836 Isle Of Man
1837 White’s Directory of Sheffield, Wakefield, Halifax, Bradford, Leeds
1838 White’s Directory of Hull
1838 Manchester Directory (Trades)
1839 London Pianoforte tuners
1840 Pigot & Co.'s Directory of London
1840 Post Office London Directory
1840 Dublin Directory
1841 Manchester Directory
1842 Pigot & Co.'s Directory of London
1842 Norwich Directory
1842 Penny Magazine
A single reel of microfiche in the Manchester Archives includes Pigot's Manchester directories for 1841, 1843, and 1845, but it is very difficult to tell which part is which, and it seems to end illogically with the 1843 list, so the most accurate description is "circa 1843".
1844 East Anglia
1844 Glasgow Directory
The Illustrated London News was first published in 1842, and suddenly, people could not only read the news, they could see engraved illustrations of major events, exotic animals, foreign peoples, landscapes, and all sorts of things about the world around them. We have a selection of volumes of the Illustrated London News for every decade from 1844, and these include many items of general history.
1844 Illustrated London News has many items of general history
1845 Slater’s Directory of Sheffield, York, Huddersfield, Hull, Leeds
1845 Williams’ Directory of Huddersfield
1845 Birmingham Directory
1845 Norwich Directory
1845 Post Office London Directory
1848 Aberdeen's first directory classified in trades
1848 Slater’s Directory of Bradford, Dewsbury, Doncaster, Halifax
1848 Manchester Directory
1848 Post Office London Directory
1850 Birmingham Directory
1850 Devon Directory
1850 Post Office London Directory
1851 Great Exhibition; Official Catalogue has many items of general history
1851 Great Exhibition; Art Journal Catalogue has many items of general history
1853 Tomlinson’s Cyclopaedia of Useful Arts & Manufacture has many items of general history.
1853 White’s Directory of Leeds & Halifax
1854 Imperial Dictionary has many items of general history
1854 London Gazetteer has many items of general history
1855 Post Office London Directory
1856 Post Office London Directory
1858 Illustrated London News has many items of general history
1858 Nottingham Directory
1859 Illustrated London News has many items of general history
1860 Post Office London Directory
1860 Illustrated London News has many items of general history
1863 Exhibition Catalogue - South London Working Men. No illustrations.
1865 Exhibition Catalogue - South Kensington Museum. No illustrations.
1866 Devon Directory
1867 Paris Exposition: Extracts from two catalogues
1870 Family Friend magazine has many items of general history
1870 Post Office London Directory
1871 Rudall & Co. stock books
1871 Manchester Directory
1871 Franco-Prussian War, broken book
1872 Family Friend magazine
1873 Bristol Directory
1874 Bristol Directory
1874 Exeter Directory
1875 Bristol Directory
1876 Bristol Directory
1877 Bristol Directory
1878 Bristol Directory
1878 Pigot & Co.'s National Commercial Directory
1878 Sherborne's partial stocklist
1878 Illustrated London News has many items of general history, such as the Norwich floods, and Paris Exposition.
1880 Melbourne Exhibition
1880 Post Office London Directory
1881 Yorkshire Directory
1882 Illustrated London News has many items of general history
1882 Post Office London Directory
1884 Glasgow Directory
1884 London Directory
1884 Glasgow Directory
1886 Birmingham Directory
1886 Kelly's Directory of the Cabinet & Furnishing Trades is our earliest list of
piano firms covering the whole of England, Scotland & Wales.
1886 Scientific American – inventions, patents, general history
1888 Concertina Makers & Dealers
1890 Birmingham Directory
1890 Dublin Directory
1892 Musical Opinion & Music Trades Review
1892 Post Office London Directory – 8 inches thick, with references to names, trades, streets etc..
1894 Kelly's Directory of the Cabinet & Furnishing Trades
1894 Exposition Universelle, Antwerp
1894 Birmingham Directory
1895 Essex Directory
1897 Book on 60 years of Queen Victoria’s reign.
1899 Kelly's Directory of the Cabinet & Furnishing Trades
1900 Birmingham Directory
1900 Dublin Directory
1901-1904 “The Connoisseur” magazine includes ads, art and furniture,
just at the time when there was an explosion of advertising for Automatic Piano Players, which suddenly took over most of the piano ad space.
1901-2 Books on the life of Queen Victoria.
1903 Illustrated London News has many items of general history
1905 Musical Herald has items of general history
1908 Middlesex Directory
1910 The Times – a huge bound volume, last quarter of the year, has many items of general history including a report on Dr Crippen's trial, cars, fashion, and various player piano ads.
1911 Kelly's Directory of the Cabinet & Furnishing Trades
1911 Coronation books
1911 Alfred Dolge "Pianos and their makers"
1913 Cabinet Maker magazines include many piano ads
1914 Chas. Begg & Co., New Zealand, stock records
1914 Music Trades Directory
1928 Musique Adresses Universel - worldwide lists of music firms
1929 Kelly's Directory of Norfolk & Suffolk
1936 Kelly's Directory of the Cabinet & Furnishing Trades.
1938 Music Trades Directory
1938 List of Collard & Collard dealers
1939 Berlin Directory
1949 Who's Who in Music: Pianoforte Manufacturers
1951 Directory of the British Music Industry
1960 Post Office London Directory
1962 Who's Who in Music; Pianoforte Manufacturers
1968 Music Trades Directory
1969 London Pianoforte Manufacturers
…and various more modern trade directories, Yellow Pages entries, piano books, etc.. Without donations, I will be fine, but PianoHistory.Info may not survive. If every visitor to this site donated just one pound we would have a proper museum building, and much-improved facilities for research within our own archives.
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